ack sure the English were only RAPEING women and children for 800 years talking are homes are lands hanging us for are religion we were slaves to the English for years ack and sure only 1 million people died of starvation watching there kids dieing one by one resorting to poor houses were you worked for food. Doing so further divides races and intimates that being white is bad and that youre somehow guilty of past crimes. Today, there are many different variations of Irish surnames, but most commonly, they can be divided into three categories. It was not until Darwin that the belief that physical traits identified race. [], We took slaves too, St Patrick was a slave! The Black men were getting all the women. If you didnt have money you had nothing. Poverty is the great enslaver. It might be better to compare them to certain tribes that were all but decimated out would it not? A slave was property and could be killed if the owner chose to do so. Variant of Donoghue. Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Certainly not the native potato-eating Catholic tenant farmers with no inheritance. 1) A good number of slave masters were Scotch-Irish. Reblogged this on A Day in a Life of a Military Archivist *Eddy Hamelin* and commented: One of them reached his 7 year mark, and went to work on another mans farm. Sometime in the 17th century after the battle of Kinsale in County Cork, in Ireland which took place between 1601 -1602, the English was faced with the huge problem of looking after 30,000 men taken as Prisoners-of War. Adam and Eve are my ancestors as well as yours DNA has proven that we all tie to the original humans they lived in Africa. OBrien has been a prominent surname in Ireland for centuries. Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. 'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes. GG Father, May , a wealthy man owned African/Native American Slaves in parts of Georgia and sired two sets of children. While it at various stages was almost certainly used as an insult, the term "Black Irish" has emerged in recent times as a virtual badge of honor among some descendants of immigrants. Do this; check the census records and slave owner property records. Argentina, Mexico, and New Zealand also share in high numbers of Irish descendants. From a real Irish person, who didnt get shipped over to America but whos ancestors have fought against the oppression of Britannia and ultimately Rome (the Pope) for over 800years. In terms of our subject matter, the first major invasion would have been the Norman invasions from European countries in Ireland in 1170 and 1172. Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. American TV star Brooke Hogan and professional wrestler Hulk Hogan are two of the most well known Hogans. The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. The whole thing is rotten no matter who. For decades Black people were not allowed to own property in the affluent areas and could only own property in poorer areas. You also havent delved into how racism could have played into how African and Irish slaves were treated. There wasnt even a need for comparison, let along doing so while ignoring all the other colors of people who were enslaved and abused. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window). This seems to be the deniers and minimizes position. 3) even if they were 100,000 Irish slaves (which there were not) how dare you attempt to chastise us for talking about the African holocaust? To pick on Chloe (Admittedly, I Enjoy picking on ignorant bigots); she mentions how Whites suppressed Blacks and sites example after example and doesnt fail to continue to mention color over and over again. The traditional image of Vikings is of pale-skinned blond-haired invaders but their description as "dark foreigners" may lead us to conclude that their memory in folklore does not necessarily reflect their physical description. They account for a lot of the Irish sounding names in the south, whether they were Scots names, or co opted Irish names, they do not belong to the Irish family system. the ira was formed so we could have more rights. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened. Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? Those who completed their term of service were awarded freedom dues and were free. The Irish often were poor and condescended by society but they were legal citizens and had a better status than a slave. that because they werent born into chattel their plight isnt worth acknowledgement. Irish were indentured servants,which lasted 7 years. 2. Another name, OGallchobhair, which is the Irish version of the popular name Gallagher, means foreign help. Thanks for your research. A modern Irish variant spelling is Conchir. The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. Ive seen the pictures of long ago. Surname Origin: English, Scottish, Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: Browne, Braun, Broun, Breun, Bruun, Bruan, Brun, Bruene, Brohn Brown is the second most common surname among African Americans in the United States. But this should not turn into a contest of who had it worst. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. But it seems that your fellow Irish forgot both about the atrocities done to them and working side by side with African slaves. This, by the way, is why Malcolm Little became "Malcolm X". In part, bigotry came into play in order to ease the conciseness of individuals who partook of the benefits of slavery. we were brought up to fight oppression we refused to fight the mexicans when sent there by americans. 3. Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. Jesus was born in the mid east, why do people believe that his hair is blond and straight, and have white skin, even hanging on the walls of black people, along with Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, John Kennedy. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. Very interesting. An African would know better. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. Period. So what is it that makes all so called White skinned folks exactly like one another? Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. Black Irish Band, American folk music musical group. He had several indentured servants. [] Source: How Blacks have Irish Last Names []. I was slapped on the hands with a ruler as she demanded, screaming , and hitting me,!! As English rule in Ireland intensified at this time, it became increasingly difficult to find work if you had an Irish sounding name. The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of O'Dubhghaill. @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. Were Irish babies sold to another people as black babies were sold to white slave owners? Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. Reblogged this on Eccentric and Bent and commented: The likelihood, if you are Irish, or of African descent to be involved with any of this is smaller than you think. Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. Apparently its perfectly OK to disparage the Irish but dont make any bigoted remarks that could be interpreted as racist. Rich in history and proud in its Celtic roots, the Irish identity is worn like a badge of honour. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. Dont continue to nourish the seeds of bigotry by oversimplifying complicated historical issues and happenings into Blacks and Whites or any other shade of color. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. Yes they did. They are also from Donegal and Roscommon. She was so angry, thats not what Jesus looks like, so I said how do you know,? Both explanations for why blacks have Irish last names are only partially true. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Things you didn't know about Irish family names, Things you didn't know about Irish First Names, Trace your family and Irish surnames today, 50 shocking facts about Northern Ireland you never knew, Hell never get older Father Ted star Dermot Morgans son on 25, Three Belfast men set sights on rowing world records, Ireland ranked one of the safest countries in Europe, Irish Celtic FEMALE NAMES: the 20 best, with meanings, New true-crime documentary exposes the many lies and lives of GPO girl, Country Clare hotel voted one of the most romantic in the world. Slavers were greed driven sadists. However, Ireland considers itself a dual speaking country, so visitors can expect to see both English and Irish on public service signs and announcements. Ever wonder how a lot of African Americans have Irish last names? The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. Smith 6. @My Creole Belle You are a perfect example of exactly why the oppressed Irish and blacks never came together and united against their common oppressors; because the oppressors (the ruling class of white racists) loved nothing more than to play the lesser races off against each other.
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