But that is exactly what the Germans did, in a massive counteroffensive personally planned by Adolf Hitler. It had much to do with the nature of the wounds, and the length and location of hospitalization. Perhaps we can look forward one day to the family releasing some of his personal correspondence that may shed further light. 
Most of the SS troops, including Jochen Peiper, had seen extensive duty in the grim killing fields of the Eastern Front. 
Peiper, who was murdered in France in 1976 by a shadow group of anti-Nazi terrorists who called themselves the Avengers, always claimed that he did not give express orders to kill the prisoners at Malmedy, and he probably did not. There is a significant question as to who he served with upon returning to the Continent. The policy of not returning recovered from wounds soldiers to their original units was not a hard fast rule. This was an outfit whose job was to spot enemy artillery emplacements and transmit their location to other U.S. units. On May 16, 1946, a year after the end of hostilities in Europe, Peiper and seventy of his men (almost one in ten of the surviving members of Kampfgruppe Peiper) were placed on trial for war crimes connected with the massacre. Charles Durning may not have been a household name, but with his pugnacious features and imposing bulk he was a familiar presence in American movies, television and theater, even if often overshadowed by the headliners. He boxed professionally for a time, delivered telegrams and taught ballroom dancing, meeting his first wife, Carole, at an Arthur Murray studio. After the war, still mentally troubled, Mr. Durning dropped into a void for almost a decade before deciding to study acting at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York, he told Parade magazine in 1993. The only real source are his Military records and the man himself. Sternebeck and his tanks proceeded down the road, pushing burning and wrecked U.S. jeeps and trucks out of the way and firing their machine guns at U.S. soldiers who cowered in ditchessomething Sternebeck later told historian Michael Reynolds that he did to get the Americans to surrender, which most of them did, since they were armed only with rifles and pistols, weapons that could not possibly fight off tanks. 
I thought the guys shot at the crossroads were all from one unit, a field artillery observation battalion. JavaScript is disabled. 
At that time,in my pre-understanding of conversations I had with his spouse, Mr. Durning did not like to discuss his involvement in the landing at Omaha Beach that fateful day with The 1st. He spent months in hospitals and was treated for psychological trauma. Back in 1988 when I visited Pearl Harbor, my guide was a former sailor or Marine (I can't recall which) who had survived the 1941 attack and later fought in the Pacific. I don't seem to recall it being used when he first came to prominance. Durning is not listed. 03 Apr 2023 01:55:49 He was a regular on Evening Shade, the 1990s sitcom that starred Burt Reynolds, and First Monday, a short-lived 2002 drama about the Supreme Court. Not surprisingly, Mr. Durnings two Oscar nominations were for supporting roles, as a slippery governor in the Burt Reynolds-Dolly Parton musical The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas (1982) and as a lustful Nazi colonel in the 1983 remake of To Be or Not to Be, starring Mel Brooks and Anne Bancroft. I have seen the story about Charles Durning at Omaha beach and surviving the Malmedy massacre posted a couple of time before. Has he really said this. I'm reluctant to cast any doubt on Mr. Durning's service, but the details are so vague and contradictory that they bear some examination. It's right at the beginning of the movie. In the past I've seen folks read an entry that said 'Bronze SS'and interpret it as the man earned both a Bronze Star Medal and a Silver Star Medal, when in fact it just denoted a single bronze Service Star for a campaign ribbon.98.255.89.22 (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Spearheading the German attack was a remarkable twenty-nine-year-old SS colonel named Jochen Peiper. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. On the other hand I am far from being convinced that the fact this would have been said by the French consul (if it was the case) make it the revealed truth. Not even a Bronze Star, much less a Silver Star. It does say that he was a survivor of the Malmedy Massacre. He does not appear in the list of survivors who were brought back to the massacre site. WebWhen beloved actor Charles Durning died on Christmas Eve, journalists unanimously praised the actor's storied war record. Mr. Durning played the prosecutor, a character based on William Jennings Bryan, and Scott, in his last Broadway role, was the defense attorney, modeled on Clarence Darrow. WebCharles Durning, who plays WWII Vet Ernie Yost, was an actual WWII veteran, specifically an Army private first class who was part of the Normandy invasion, survived the Malmedy massacre, and fought in the Battle of the Bulge. I repeat one last time, if you "know" - as you insist you do - why don't you contact the French Embassy and get them to retract the statement? Sadly, Durning made a number of statements during his lifetime and was present when statements were made about his military service which cannot be reconciled with the undisputed facts in his military records. The Battle of the Bulge started on 16 Dec 44, and the Malmedy massacre happened on 17 Dec 44. Wikipedia says no primary sources and the military record is a primary source. However, surviving Americans distinctly remember the German order to kill coming before any of the POWs tried to escape. After a fierce fight in Normandy, the Americans and British had broken out of their beachheads at the end of July and sent the Wehrmacht reeling backwards, ceding vast areas of France and Belgium to the U.S. armored divisions of the First and Third Armies and the British Twenty-fifth Army Group. The problem here is that this regiment arrived in the ETO very late (mid-March 45), and was plugged into the then-reconstituting 106th Infantry Division to replace one of the two regiments destroyed during the Bulge. Is Archaeology Due for a Sexual Revolution? I wonder whether it might be able to get some rock solid sources on this. Sternebeck then sent the Americans, numbering about 115 in all, marching with their hands held high back to the crossroads at Five Points. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. On that basis everything ever quoted is potentially false - a ridiculous proposition. Stetsonharry (talk) 22:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply], There was some discussion a few months ago about whether or not Durning was a survivor of the Malmedy massacre. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. (Perhaps eleven men of Battery B had been killed in the initial attack.) There was a caf there, as well as three small farms. Monkeyzpop (talk) 01:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], we all have watched the cuban crime rags to ritches film with al pacino , i am personnely convinced that charles durning done a voice over for an emigration officer at the early stages of the film watch the start and the questions about the tattoo ,,,,if this is not charles durning voice then im an aardvaark. 67.181.14.236 (talk) 09:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply], I've removed this from the article after his admission of nightmares: "which is common among veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress", Unless the person that added this is a medical doctor with Mr. Durning under his care (and has consent to post it to the internet!) It's entirely possible that Durning (or someone on his behalf) asked for (and obtained) corrections to the original records in the time since his discharge, explaining the additional awards in the 2002 summary and the letter from 2008. With all of these matters of great importance, why has so much attention been paid to the killing of eighty-four U.S. soldiers in a small field on December 17, 1944? Charles Durning, who died on Dec. 24 at age 89 in New York City, played a whole lot of roles in his half-century-long career - all told, 207 of them, according the The Malmedy Massacre was exhaustingly investigated by the First Army. Another reason for the focus on Malmedy is that, as word spread like wildfire through the U.S. frontline ranks in the immediate aftermath of the killings, U.S. soldiers vowed to take no prisoners. Page contents not supported in other languages. Of course all those who have writen on that massacre have emphasised one or other point of view according to their preference: som tried to whitewash the Germans others of course have pointed out how bestial they have been. This area covered the rugged and desolate Ardennes Forest and was mountainous and remote. Durning served as a soldier in World War II, during which he was awarded a Silver Star, three Purple Heart medals, and a Good Conduct Medal On Omaha Beach itself, Also, in block 55, "ASR Score (2 Sep 45) 61"? Anyone have any further information??? To this day it is uncertain if the Germans would have shot the Americans had they not tried to runmany German soldiers present later claimed they were merely killing escaping prisoners. 
I don't see this as accurate or fair. George Fleps, an ethnic German from Romania, stood up in his halftrack and fired twice at the crowd of Americans. Charles was the ninth of 10 children, and five of his sisters died of smallpox or scarlet fever in childhood, three of them within two weeks. His daughter Michele Durning confirmed the death. Following your training period in 1943, you were sent to England in February of the following year. Durning does not appear in either the muster reports or morning reports of any of the units involved. discussion above, today's AP story on Mr. Durning's death says he was "captured in the Battle of the Bulge and survived a massacre of prisoners." Arlington National Cemetery has acknowledged some of these discrepancies and is in the process of re-cutting Durnings headstone. Sorry to go off topic a bit but weren't the Canadians notorious for not taking prisoners after discovering a massacre of their own troops by the Germans? One possible explanation for his not being mentioned on this, or vocal generally on World War II, is that I found him listed in Halliwell's Filmgoers Companion as born in 1933. He got laughs, he later recalled, and was hooked on show business. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I've received the docs from Oldbubblehead (tnx!) Peiper left an SS major named Werner Poetschke in charge of the prisoners, but the men guarding them seem to have changed as unit after unit of Germans passed by on the road. These tanks were the spearhead of Kampfgruffe Peiper, led by Lieutenant Werner Sternebeck, and their 88-mm guns and machine guns easily tore up the U.S. column. The Germans of Kampfgruppe Peiper, seventy of whom were convicted in a war crimes tribunal after the war, were surprisedexecuting prisoners was standard fare on the Eastern Front. He may have landed beside the 2nd or 5th Ranger BN and Hollywood made him a Ranger. Robert E. Humphrey, House Hearings on Campus Speech Show Different Perceptions of the Problem, Mark Russell, DC's Piano-Playing Political Satirist, Dies at 90, Trans Texans, Fearing Violence Inspired by Legislation and Rhetoric, Look to Armed Self-Defense, Vatican Repudiates "Doctrine of Discovery" that Justified Colonialism by Catholic Nations. The piece on Durning does not refer to any military units, does not claim that he landed in Normandy on D-Day and credits him only with a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. So. 8. 
Lejoly, who was a German sympathizer, nevertheless could not believe his eyes as he watched one SS man allow a U.S. medic to bandage a wounded soldier, after which the German shot both men dead. Every so often he landed a bit part in a play. By the wars end he had been awarded a Silver Star for valor and three Purple Hearts, having suffered gunshot and shrapnel wounds as well. I must acknowledge that several websites clearly state that durning was at the Baugnez crossroad when the massacre occured. Unfortunately, Durning is very frail and his conversation is a bit wandering and imprecise. He assembled the prisoners in a field there and waited with his tanks and halftracks for further orders. Can we really exclude that the speach could have writen by a lazzy (or gullible) employee who could simply have made a copy/paste of what he had found on a website without making any check? Oldbubblehead (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]. He went on to appear in a pair of short-lived 1973 Broadway productions David Rabes Boom Boom Room and Hugh Leonards Au Pair Man, in which he co-starred with Julie Harris and, three years later, in Jules Feiffers comedy Knock Knock.. I have tried finding more about Charles Durning's military service on the Web but all I find are even more preposterous stories. Earlier in the discussion somebody (rightfully) pointed out General Reynold's sentence "Few of these accounts are based on fact, and most are embellished and inaccurate". He was the sole survivor of his original unit, but he would go WebA few words of respect for Charles Durning who died on Monday at age 89. Durning appeared in more than 100 movies, in role --rogerd 12:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply], I will put an {{NPOV}} template at the top of the page. The Germans swept them with rifle and machine gun fire, but made little attempt to chase after them. He couldnt have been more than 14 or 15. Standing in the barren field outside of the town of Malmedy on that cold early afternoon in the winter of 1944, they smoked and joked with each other. Durning does not claim to have been a Malmedy survivor. Charles Durning, right, with Dustin Hoffman, in a scene from Tootsie in 1982. If his ordinary-guy looks deprived him of leading-man roles, they did not leave him typecast. After an hour, the barrage stopped and then, in numerous strategic places along the front, giant searchlights were turned on, blinding the Americans and turning the foggy morning a glowing white. A good many of them had lost their parents, their sisters and brothers, during the [Allied] bombing [of German cities]. The "confusion" regarding Mr. Durning's service is far more extensive than has been touched on here. Battery B reached the Belgian town of Malmedy around noon. 
WASHINGTON (Army News Service, Jan. 17, 2013) -- Triple Purple Heart holder, Silver Star recipient and award-winning character actor Charles Durning, who died at 89 Asteriks (talk) 18:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]. NEW YORK (Reuters) - Charles Durning, a World War Two hero who became one of Hollywoods top character actors in films like The Sting, Tootsie and The Best In 1996 he fought a courtroom duel with George C. Scott in the Broadway revival of Inherit the Wind, the drama by Jerome Lawrence and Robert E. Lee based on the Scopes monkey trial of 1925. Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.160.21 (talk) 03:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply], Every time I watch Star Wars episode IV (1977), I am certain I see Charles Durning as a foot soldier, Trying to defend the ship as Princess Leia records her message to Obi Wan in R2D2. Within a matter of a few minutes, the field was covered with quickly coagulating pools of blood and writhing bodies. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. Sternebeck moved out, followed closely by Peiper, and the long line of Kampfgruffe Peiper began to pass the Americans standing in the field, some of whom had begun to relax, put their hands down, and light cigarettes. Snow blanketed the little towns, vacation chateaus, and deep forests of the area. at Frances (disambiguation). Charles Durning is indeed a great actor and served his country honorably during WWII, including his landing at Normandy on D-Day. Can someone decode this? 50 of 51 found this interesting | Share this Finally, this story about Durning present at the crossroad is running on several websites since many years. Some of them had placed their hands on their helmets in a casual token of surrender to the Waffen-SS troops of Kampfgruppe Peiperthe mechanized task force commanded by the brilliant young German Colonel Jochen Peiperas it passed by, but beyond that they seemed remarkably unconcerned. Division, and a former Chief of Staff for the 1st. Shortly after it passed this crossroads, the column began to receive fire from two German tanks that were 1,000 yards (0.9 km) down the road. - On the other hand, if he were assigned to the 398th Inf Regt upon discharge from the hospital - as most accounts reflect - that raises even more serious questions. A veteran character actor who was a widely recognizable face in film and on television for over five decades, Charles Durning earned his place as a dependable presence often playing pugnacious tough guys and authority figures. But while I don't know Durning and have only met him once, he is close with several close friends of mine, and I asked them to ask him about the Malmedy thing. However, early that evening, three escapees did encounter a patrol led by Colonel Pergrin, who had heard the shooting and was coming to investigate. As Kampfgruppe Peiper passed by these Americans, an SS soldier suddenly stood up in the back of his halftrack, aimed his pistol, and fired it twice into a group of U.S. prisoners. And there's the weakness in Wiki; the burden of proof should be on those making assertions of fact; instead, Wiki gives credence to unsubstantiated, possibly self-serving claims made by individuals, that are only bolstered by second and third hand retellings of that same man's stories. Charles Edward Durning (February 28, 1923 December 24, 2012) was an American actor who appeared in over 200 movies, television shows and plays. He does not appear in the list of survivors. Most of them attempted to make their way back to Malmedy, some wandering for days before they returned. With the greatest of secrecy, aided by winter weather that kept Allied planes on the ground, he assembled a huge force of 250,000 men, 1,400 tanks, and 2,000 artillery guns on the eastern edge of the Ardennes. Two million men fought for three months in Normandy in 1944. He went from job to job, from doorman to dishwasher to cabdriver. 
As this killing was going on, the German column continued to pass through Five Points, and soldiers on halftracks chatted and pointed. He had recurring roles as a priest on Everybody Loves Raymond and as the ex-firefighter father of Denis Learys Tommy in the firehouse series Rescue Me. In all, Mr. Durning received nine Emmy Award nominations, although he never won. Many of the Americans fighting in the Battle of the Bulge were green replacements who had never seen combat before, let alone this kind of vicious and bloody fighting. It was the start of a long association with Papp, who cast him, often as a clown, in 35 plays, many by Shakespeare. 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